mustangii-digest Tuesday, November 2 1999 Volume 01 : Number 026 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 1 Nov 99 08:18:20 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: RE: 1976 Mustang I would have to agree on the supply and demand point. Where is the car located?? - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Vincent Beauvais" Reply-To: mustangii@list-server.net Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 19:53:01 -0800 >It's supply and demand, and unfortunately there isn't much demand for a 76 >Mustang II (at least not in my area - Vancouver). If it were a Cobra II or >Mach I it might be more desirable, but I doubt a 92 year old lady would >drive one! My guess is it's probably only worth about $1500, maybe a little >more because of the low miles. > >Vincent Beauvais > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-mustangii@List-Server.net >[mailto:owner-mustangii@List-Server.net]On Behalf Of Drew R. >Sent: Sunday, October 31, 1999 5:43 AM >To: mustangii@List-Server.net >Subject: 1976 Mustang > > >My neigbor has decided it is no longer safe for his 92 year old mother to be >drving any longer, so they've decided to sell her car. The car is a 1976 >Mustang. He has no idea what to ask for it. I've never seen the car, but did >catch a few details on it. It's a 1976, red I believe, don't remember what >engine(prolly 4cyl), has just over 18,000 miles, and very minimal rust. Runs >perfect and from what I remember has no problems. What could he expect to >get for this car? I realize it's a '76(if it were a '67, I'd buy it in a >second) but whats a good going price for one in this shape? Thanks > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 99 08:52:23 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: Motor Mounts I installed my engine this weekend and discovered something I previously did not know. There is a difference in the left and right motor mounts. The "bump" or locator pin on the mount that fits in the groove on the chassis is located in a different spot depending on which side of the car you are on. Of course if you were to grind this bump down, you could use either mount, but it you leave it there, you must have the correct mount on the correct side. Any one else come across this? Comments?? Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 01 Nov 1999 11:12:06 EST From: "Drew R." Subject: RE: 1976 Mustang I believe the car is located somewhere near Cleveland Ohio. I'm not sure if he's going to bring it down here (dayton, oh) to sell it or not. If anyone wants more information, I can go get it from him. > Where is the car located?? > >My neigbor has decided it is no longer safe for his 92 year old mother to >be > >drving any longer, so they've decided to sell her car. The car is a 1976 > >Mustang. He has no idea what to ask for it. I've never seen the car, but >did > >catch a few details on it. It's a 1976, red I believe, don't remember >what > >engine(prolly 4cyl), has just over 18,000 miles, and very minimal rust. >Runs > >perfect and from what I remember has no problems. What could he expect to > >get for this car? I realize it's a '76(if it were a '67, I'd buy it in a > >second) but whats a good going price for one in this shape? Thanks ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 99 13:57:11 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: Car of the month The November car of the month is up. We are currently looking for a car to feature in December. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:16:19 EST From: A1977STANG@aol.com Subject: Re: Car of the month Tim What kind of information would you need? Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 22:37:28 -0500 From: "stangiii" Subject: Re: 1976 Mustang - ---------- > From: Drew R. > To: mustangii@list-server.net > Subject: RE: 1976 Mustang > Date: Monday, November 01, 1999 11:12 AM > > I believe the car is located somewhere near Cleveland Ohio. I'm not sure if > he's going to bring it down here (dayton, oh) to sell it or not. If anyone > wants more information, I can go get it from him. Hooters Saturday? No NFL, No NASCAR. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #26 ****************************** mustangii-digest Thursday, November 4 1999 Volume 01 : Number 027 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:31:19 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: Re: Car of the month Around 3 or 4 pictures and a history of your car or interesting statistics. Usually 3 or 4 paragraphs. Tim - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: A1977STANG@aol.com Reply-To: mustangii@list-server.net Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 17:16:19 EST >Tim > What kind of information would you need? > Jim > ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #27 ****************************** mustangii-digest Monday, November 8 1999 Volume 01 : Number 028 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 00:12:10 -0500 From: "stangiii" Subject: ? Is this list dead or what?? Let me know where the grave sight is. I have a mighty powerfull piss ..... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:32:25 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: ?(???) what exactly are you talking about? - --- stangiii wrote: > Is this list dead or what?? > > Let me know where the grave sight is. > > I have a mighty powerfull piss ..... > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 00:36:31 -0500 From: "stangiii" Subject: Re: ? People have been sucking your ass just to get parts. Which has me wondering about the Quality of these people. Never the Less, How's it feel to be used?? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 7 Nov 1999 21:39:35 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: ? guess it sucks,but to be honest I still have no idea what you are talking about.parts? - --- stangiii wrote: > > People have been sucking your ass just to get parts. > > Which has me wondering about the Quality of these > people. > > Never the Less, How's it feel to be used?? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #28 ****************************** mustangii-digest Tuesday, November 9 1999 Volume 01 : Number 029 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 99 09:18:04 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: Re: ? Please refrain from using the language in this post. Keep all posts to a specific topic. IF you are not satisfied with the mailing list, remove your subscription from it. We are not interested in useless information or flames. Tim - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "stangiii" Reply-To: mustangii@list-server.net Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 00:36:31 -0500 > >People have been sucking your ass just to get parts. > >Which has me wondering about the Quality of these people. > >Never the Less, How's it feel to be used?? > > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:24:55 EST From: A1977STANG@aol.com Subject: Re: ? Tim, I have not will not use inapproaite langues on this post. I dont know what who you are talk about. I wanted this post for either giving or receiving advice about mustang two's. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:30:24 -0700 (MST) From: jrock69@kissonline.net (Jamie Aukstolis) Subject: Re: ? looking for a mustang II in good shape with a v8 and a 4 speed. Jamie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 20:26:43 -0800 From: "Vincent Beauvais" Subject: Rust underneath cowl vent grille This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF2A27.924BDE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My 78 has some rust underneath the cowl vent grille, and I'm wondering if anyone else has come across this problem (I understand it's quite common with earlier Mustangs). The rust hasn't gone through the metal yet, but if I don't fix it now I'm sure it will eventually rust through. The options I've come up with so far are: 1) remove the hood hinges and try scraping & treating the rust through the small openings above the firewall (this won't be easy) 2) sandblast the rust through the grille and treat the remaining metal 3) completely take apart the dash, and from inside the car, cut out the rusted metal and replace it I'm leaning towards #2, if it's possible. Anyone have any suggestions? Vince - ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF2A27.924BDE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My 78 has some=20 rust underneath the cowl vent grille, and I'm wondering if anyone else = has come=20 across this problem (I understand it's quite common with earlier = Mustangs).=20 The rust hasn't gone through the metal yet, but if I don't fix it now = I'm sure=20 it will eventually rust through. The options I've come up with so far=20 are:
1) = remove the hood=20 hinges and try scraping & treating the rust through the small = openings=20 above the firewall (this won't be easy)
2) = sandblast the=20 rust through the grille and treat the remaining = metal
3) = completely take=20 apart the dash, and from inside the car, cut out the rusted metal and = replace=20 it
 
I'm=20 leaning towards #2, if it's possible. Anyone have any=20 suggestions?
 
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- ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01BF2A27.924BDE40-- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:49:07 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: Rust underneath cowl vent grille I would try your #1 option first.scrape it and use a wire brush if you can get one in there,you do not have to get all the rust,just the loose stuff.then use either por-15 or eastwoods coroless primer on it.then you can primer/paint to match.I have used both products and both work great. mike - --- Vincent Beauvais wrote: > My 78 has some rust underneath the cowl vent grille, > and I'm wondering if > anyone else has come across this problem (I > understand it's quite common > with earlier Mustangs). The rust hasn't gone through > the metal yet, but if I > don't fix it now I'm sure it will eventually rust > through. The options I've > come up with so far are: > 1) remove the hood hinges and try scraping & > treating the rust through the > small openings above the firewall (this won't be > easy) > 2) sandblast the rust through the grille and treat > the remaining metal > 3) completely take apart the dash, and from inside > the car, cut out the > rusted metal and replace it > > I'm leaning towards #2, if it's possible. Anyone > have any suggestions? > > Vince > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #29 ****************************** -- From: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net (mustangii-digest) To: mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Subject: mustangii-digest V1 #30 Reply-To: mustangii@List-Server.net Sender: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Errors-To: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Precedence: bulk mustangii-digest Wednesday, November 10 1999 Volume 01 : Number 030 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 9 Nov 99 08:31:39 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: Re: ? The response was not directed at you. I must have replied to the wrong post The post was directed at stangiii Sorry for the confusion. - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: A1977STANG@aol.com Reply-To: mustangii@list-server.net Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:24:55 EST >Tim, I have not will not use inapproaite langues on this post. I dont know >what who you are talk about. I wanted this post for either giving or >receiving advice about mustang two's. Jim > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Nov 1999 14:21:49 -0500 From: Matthew Olson Subject: Re: J-Rock Looking for a Mustang II Jamie Aukstolis wrote: > > looking for a mustang II in good shape with a v8 and a 4 speed. > > Jamie - -- Looks like you are located in the middle of the country and this could be a long drive, but there is a 78 Cobra II (Black with Gold Stripes, styled steel wheels) for sale that I saw on the internet on ebay.com. The car is located near State College, Pennsylvania. The asking price was $2200. You could contact the person who has it for sale at mediva@penn.com Good luck! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:06:14 -0600 From: "mark S farmer" Subject: Re: J-Rock Looking for a Mustang II Hello and good day to all, IM looking also for a 78 mustang II v8 can someone help? Im in kansas city missouri. thanks - -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Olson To: mustangii@list-server.net Date: Tuesday, November 09, 1999 12:22 PM Subject: Re: J-Rock Looking for a Mustang II >Jamie Aukstolis wrote: >> >> looking for a mustang II in good shape with a v8 and a 4 speed. >> >> Jamie > >-- >Looks like you are located in the middle of the country and this could >be a long drive, but there is a 78 Cobra II (Black with Gold Stripes, >styled steel wheels) for sale that I saw on the internet on ebay.com. >The car is located near State College, Pennsylvania. The asking price >was $2200. You could contact the person who has it for sale at >mediva@penn.com Good luck! > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 14:57:41 -0800 From: "Darryl Lang" Subject: 351W toos BTW...I thought I'd mention to this list, that along with working on compiling a more complete FAQ about installing the 351W in a II, I'm starting the process of installing a 351W in my '76 coupe...it'll be a mildly built one, RV cam, Offy dual-port intake, Holley Projection, stock manifold, C4 auto, 3.00 gears. http://fp.premier1.net/a351must/76Coupe/76Coupe.htm The car is for sale, pending completion of this swap. Black w/ Crushed Cranberry interior in good condition. Aftermarket sunroof that doesn't leak, factory AM/FM stereo still in it and working, non-cracked dash pad... Of course, it's in Washington and everyone else is in Chicago or the East coast. Darryl Lang '74 Coupe 351W '76 Coupe (351W soon) '77 Mach 1 5.0L HO '78 T-Top 2.3L EFI Turbo ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 15:56:51 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: ? no problem,timothy,things happen. mike 77 v8 ghia - --- Timothy Grahl wrote: > The response was not directed at you. I must have > replied to the wrong post > The post was directed at stangiii > > Sorry for the confusion. > > > ---------- Original Message > ---------------------------------- > From: A1977STANG@aol.com > Reply-To: mustangii@list-server.net > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:24:55 EST > > >Tim, I have not will not use inapproaite langues > on this post. I dont know > >what who you are talk about. I wanted this post for > either giving or > >receiving advice about mustang two's. Jim > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Nov 1999 18:47:21 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: 351W toos thanks for the info,my 77 ghia has a 302 with alittle over 11,000 miles but I would love to have the torque that can be had with a 351.after looking through an old issue of hot rod on building an M400 I have been thinking about trying to shoehorn one in my II.they have the same bolt patterns as a big block,but I have seen a II with a big block so it is possible to do.good luck with your stangs,if you have pics I would love to see some,e-mail them to me if you want,and I will send you a couple of my II,thanks. mike 77 ghia - --- Darryl Lang wrote: > BTW...I thought I'd mention to this list, that along > with working on > compiling a more complete FAQ about installing the > 351W in a II, I'm > starting the process of installing a 351W in my '76 > coupe...it'll be a > mildly built one, RV cam, Offy dual-port intake, > Holley Projection, stock > manifold, C4 auto, 3.00 gears. > > http://fp.premier1.net/a351must/76Coupe/76Coupe.htm > > The car is for sale, pending completion of this > swap. Black w/ Crushed > Cranberry interior in good condition. Aftermarket > sunroof that doesn't leak, > factory AM/FM stereo still in it and working, > non-cracked dash pad... > > Of course, it's in Washington and everyone else is > in Chicago or the East > coast. > > Darryl Lang > '74 Coupe 351W > '76 Coupe (351W soon) > '77 Mach 1 5.0L HO > '78 T-Top 2.3L EFI Turbo > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #30 ****************************** -- From: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net (mustangii-digest) To: mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Subject: mustangii-digest V1 #31 Reply-To: mustangii@List-Server.net Sender: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Errors-To: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Precedence: bulk mustangii-digest Friday, November 12 1999 Volume 01 : Number 031 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Nov 99 12:12:27 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: Feature Update We have added a new feature to the Mustang II Network site. You can now send and receive electronic greeting cards with a Mustang II theme. Be sure to try this out at: http://www.mustangii.net/greeting.htm Send us your comments. Tim Grahl ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #31 ****************************** -- From: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net (mustangii-digest) To: mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Subject: mustangii-digest V1 #32 Reply-To: mustangii@List-Server.net Sender: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Errors-To: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Precedence: bulk mustangii-digest Sunday, November 14 1999 Volume 01 : Number 032 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:53:17 EST From: "Tom Spencer" Subject: MustangII.Org and MustangII.Net Well seeing how the speculation from MustangII.Org is that MustangII.Net is going down in flames. It's time to clear something up this little Fight that Mark started with Tim is wearing thin on my nerves. Mark seems to be very threatened by The Net site and why is this? Is it becasue Mark does not have the expertise to speak technical or that Mark is afraid that the Net crowd is not going to take the constant BS out of his mouth? MustangII.Net was put here as ANOTHER source of information I know that I use both this one more then the other just like parts stores you go where your going to get the best quality and service the ORG list in the last few days has been Off topic posts only nothing of any value to me. It's raining in Washington State damn that happens everyday I feel bad for Mr. Lang and I'll be out there in December and I hope I get a few decent days but my god rain in Seattle Web page testing and the only OT post that made any sense at all was from Mr Polk who I can't stand it's personal but he made sense and got his teeth kicked in my Mark. Dan if your reading this I just got a little respect for you Mark if your reading this please leave this list. MustangII.Net is open to EVERYONE it's here to be enjoyed and used to PROMOTE The Mustang II as is the ORG site if we want to fight got to Fbody.com and fuck with a slomaro owner don't bash your own brothers and sisters. Stepping off soap box for a now Tom ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 23:45:35 -0600 From: "THE OVSAK'S" Subject: PATIENCE This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF2E31.2EC99020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IM NEW HERE. LETS BE FRIENDS. IT SEEMS LIKE WE ALL GET FRUSTRATED. =20 IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD STICK TOGETHER. MUSTANG II WAS A FOUR YEAR PROJECT FORD MOTOR CO.. THEY HAVE TO = ACKNOWLEDGE US. - ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF2E31.2EC99020 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IM NEW HERE. LETS BE FRIENDS. IT SEEMS LIKE WE = ALL GET=20 FRUSTRATED.
 
IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD STICK TOGETHER.
 
 
MUSTANG II WAS A FOUR YEAR PROJECT FORD  MOTOR = CO.. THEY=20 HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE US.
- ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BF2E31.2EC99020-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:49:00 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: PATIENCE very well said, Mike, 77 ghia 302/C-4 - --- THE OVSAK'S wrote: > IM NEW HERE. LETS BE FRIENDS. IT SEEMS LIKE WE ALL > GET FRUSTRATED. > > IT SEEMS LIKE WE SHOULD STICK TOGETHER. > > > MUSTANG II WAS A FOUR YEAR PROJECT FORD MOTOR CO.. > THEY HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE US. > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 21:55:17 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: MustangII.Org and MustangII.Net I agree with you that these places are here to help us and for us to enjoy,but please do not bash other makes of cars.all old cars deserve respect and I also have a 68 firebird 400 to go next to my 77 V8 ghia.I love both cars and would not sell either one.please just keep the talk about mustangII's,that is what it's here for after all,am I not right? Mike, 77 ghia 302/C-4 - --- Tom Spencer wrote: > Well seeing how the speculation from MustangII.Org > is that MustangII.Net is > going down in flames. It's time to clear something > up this little Fight that > Mark started with Tim is wearing thin on my nerves. > Mark seems to be very > threatened by The Net site and why is this? Is it > becasue Mark does not have > the expertise to speak technical or that Mark is > afraid that the Net crowd > is not going to take the constant BS out of his > mouth? > MustangII.Net was put here as ANOTHER source of > information I know that I > use both this one more then the other just like > parts stores you go where > your going to get the best quality and service the > ORG list in the last few > days has been Off topic posts only nothing of any > value to me. It's raining > in Washington State damn that happens everyday I > feel bad for Mr. Lang and > I'll be out there in December and I hope I get a few > decent days but my god > rain in Seattle Web page testing and the only OT > post that made any sense at > all was from Mr Polk who I can't stand it's personal > but he made sense and > got his teeth kicked in my Mark. Dan if your reading > this I just got a > little respect for you Mark if your reading this > please leave this list. > MustangII.Net is open to EVERYONE it's here to be > enjoyed and used to > PROMOTE The Mustang II as is the ORG site if we want > to fight got to > Fbody.com and fuck with a slomaro owner don't bash > your own brothers and > sisters. > Stepping off soap box for a now > Tom > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #32 ****************************** -- From: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net (mustangii-digest) To: mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Subject: mustangii-digest V1 #33 Reply-To: mustangii@List-Server.net Sender: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Errors-To: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Precedence: bulk mustangii-digest Monday, November 15 1999 Volume 01 : Number 033 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 14:08:37 EST From: A1977STANG@aol.com Subject: Re: MustangII.Org and MustangII.Net Once again I received these message I have not or do not bash other peoples cars. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 12:16:17 PST From: "James Finley" Subject: Interior availability Our King Cobra has a "chamois vinyl" interior (trim code BT). Mustangs Unlimited's catalog shows carpeting as "saddle" and upholstery as "ginger" or "sand". Are any of these replacements for Chamois Vinyl? Thanks in advance, Jim Finley ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:18:07 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: Interior availability I don't know,but my 77 ghia has the same interior,so please somone help us out!...LOL Mike 77 ghia 302/C-4 - --- James Finley wrote: > Our King Cobra has a "chamois vinyl" interior (trim > code BT). Mustangs > Unlimited's catalog shows carpeting as "saddle" and > upholstery as "ginger" > or "sand". Are any of these replacements for > Chamois Vinyl? > Thanks in advance, Jim Finley > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at > http://www.hotmail.com > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:39:24 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: MustangII.Org and MustangII.Net ah,but you did.you may not have realzed it though.I can not rember the exact thing you said and have already deleted the list e-mail in wich I had read it,but you made a comment something about fighting or something and if they were going to do it they should go to the F-body page and something about camaros.I just think we should all get along and fight the government that is trying to take our hobby away for pollution while it lets big companies get away with it.if we do not stck together,one day the closest thing to a hot rod we will have is a hot wheels from wal mart,unless they decide these will fill our head with evil thoughts and take them away also.sorry you feel that you have not done anything,but I think if you look back on it you will see that you have.please do not take offense at this letter,it is not meant for that. thanks, mike, 77 ghia 302/C-4 - --- A1977STANG@aol.com wrote: > Once again I received these message I have not or do > not bash other peoples > cars. Jim > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #33 ****************************** -- From: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net (mustangii-digest) To: mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Subject: mustangii-digest V1 #34 Reply-To: mustangii@List-Server.net Sender: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Errors-To: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Precedence: bulk mustangii-digest Tuesday, November 16 1999 Volume 01 : Number 034 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 15 Nov 99 08:51:19 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: Forwarded message The following messages is from Eric Wilkinson. The message never made it to the list because of size. As soon as I can extract the movie that he is talking about, I will put it in the new Multimedia area of the site. Tim Grahl - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: owner-mustangii@List-Server.net Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:22:28 -0700 (MST) >From stangii@rhinotec.com Sun Nov 14 16:22:22 1999 Received: from mail.pittstate.edu (mail.pittstate.edu [198.182.243.14]) by salmon.esosoft.net (8.8.5) id QAA22276; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 16:21:36 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (enwilkin@localhost) by mail.pittstate.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA14438 for ; Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:21:31 -0600 Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 17:21:30 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric N. Wilkinson" To: everyone Subject: Stang II movie In-Reply-To: <002501bf2e63$b6df7100$50d8fed1@oemcomputer> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="-961088754-3569666-942621690=:35918" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. - ---961088754-3569666-942621690=:35918 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hey, It is right that there hasn't been much useful or fun going on in this group. I am making a page about my II and have been producing gifs and Quicktimes for it. Attached to this email is my movie; it is about 35 seconds long and is about 1.7 MB in size. I would like for as many people as have the ability to produce thier own 'burnout' video. I realize that the file sizes will become too large for everyday email, so how 'bout we have them on the Mustang II page? It is time to show what happens when you have a healthy motor in a vehicle that weighs less than 3,000 lbs. The II suffers enough derision from outside our camp - lets show them why we love these cars! I know my 351 II will, and does, humiliate cumaros as well as late model Mustangs. On a more conventional note: I need an oil pan and cross-member (steering rack) for my 351. I have come to realize that the 351 I have now has a stock oil pan and in order to fit it the steering rack was lowered about two inches. This relocation of the steering rack has altered the geometry of my suspension and now I know whay it handles in such an 'iffy' manner. I have been told that the 302 IIs had a specific oil pan and cross-member, would this work on my 351W? I think it would as all three blocks in the Windsor family are very similar, but I need some experienced advice. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 99 09:40:57 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: this mailing list To date, we haven't seen many problems with this list. I do realize that our posts are few but I feel that the posts we have had have helped a few people. As with anything new, it will take some time for the list to get going. I don't know what about the problem the org list is having but hope that we would get past any problems that we may encounter and help make this list the premier tech list available. Any suggestions and or comments, let me know. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 99 09:44:11 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: Re: Interior availability That IS a good question. I have the same interior in my ghia as does Ed in his King. I don't know how close the Mustang Unlimited interiors are but it probably wouldn't hurt to give them a call. It is also possible that Phil's Mustang shop would have some interior pieces but I don't know the extent of his inventory. - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: merlin wizard Reply-To: mustangii@list-server.net Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:18:07 -0800 (PST) > I don't know,but my 77 ghia has the same interior,so >please somone help us out!...LOL > Mike >77 ghia 302/C-4 > >--- James Finley wrote: >> Our King Cobra has a "chamois vinyl" interior (trim >> code BT). Mustangs >> Unlimited's catalog shows carpeting as "saddle" and >> upholstery as "ginger" >> or "sand". Are any of these replacements for >> Chamois Vinyl? >> Thanks in advance, Jim Finley >> >> >______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at >> http://www.hotmail.com >> > > >===== > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:29:09 -0500 From: "stangiii" Subject: Re: this mailing list - ---------- > From: Timothy Grahl > To: mustangii@list-server.net > Subject: this mailing list > Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 9:40 AM > > I don't know what about the problem the org list is having but ... Are they having problems? Please explane. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:06:20 -0700 From: "Viking" Subject: Re: Interior availability Speaking of interior, my father and I are the original and "proud" owners of a Bright Red, 2-door, '77 Mustang II with 84,000 original miles. I am in the beginning stages of restoration. In the 1980s, my father cut speaker holes in the interior rear quarter panels above the arm rests. I would like to restore the car to it's total original condition and have found some yellow quarter interior quarter panels in a junk yard in great condition. I've "heard" I could possibly dye these plastic panels to match the original red quarter panels. Is this true? What do you recommend. Please advise. --Art - -----Original Message----- From: merlin wizard To: mustangii@List-Server.net Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 7:18 PM Subject: Re: Interior availability > I don't know,but my 77 ghia has the same interior,so >please somone help us out!...LOL > Mike >77 ghia 302/C-4 > >--- James Finley wrote: >> Our King Cobra has a "chamois vinyl" interior (trim >> code BT). Mustangs >> Unlimited's catalog shows carpeting as "saddle" and >> upholstery as "ginger" >> or "sand". Are any of these replacements for >> Chamois Vinyl? >> Thanks in advance, Jim Finley >> >> >______________________________________________________ >> Get Your Private, Free Email at >> http://www.hotmail.com >> > > >===== > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:15:22 -0800 From: "Darryl Lang" Subject: RE: Forwarded message The 302 oil pan for a Mustang II will not fit the 351W due to the size of the rear main cap of the 351W. I don't know why the steering rack would've been lowered to clear the oil pan. I have about 1/8" clearance with crushed motor mounts and a Milodon oil pan on my 351W. My stock 351W oil pan also cleared the rack (manual rack) by about the same distance. New motor mounts would probably make for a decent amount of clearance. I believe some people have used shims to mount the motor a little higher to clear the rack with the power rack. I will find out when I get going on my up and coming 351W swap. Darryl '74 Coupe 351W '76 Coupe 351W soon - -----Original Message----- On a more conventional note: I need an oil pan and cross-member (steering rack) for my 351. I have come to realize that the 351 I have now has a stock oil pan and in order to fit it the steering rack was lowered about two inches. This relocation of the steering rack has altered the geometry of my suspension and now I know whay it handles in such an 'iffy' manner. I have been told that the 302 IIs had a specific oil pan and cross-member, would this work on my 351W? I think it would as all three blocks in the Windsor family are very similar, but I need some experienced advice. ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #34 ****************************** -- From: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net (mustangii-digest) To: mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Subject: mustangii-digest V1 #35 Reply-To: mustangii@List-Server.net Sender: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Errors-To: owner-mustangii-digest@List-Server.net Precedence: bulk mustangii-digest Wednesday, November 17 1999 Volume 01 : Number 035 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 08:35:20 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: FWD: mustang II Transmission Ok all of you T-5 wizards, can you help this person out?? - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ZenSonic@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:00:59 EST Hi, my name is Brian I am 23 and a proud owner of a 78 cobra II and a 73 comet I also once owned a72 buick skylark, 77 mach I, 73 torino,62 falcon, 81witha 5.0l swap done, a 90 mustang lx convertable(4cyl) 86 skyhawk and a 77cutless supreme w swivel buckets the engine blew up in that one a rod went. But now I am on the right track My question is -do you know of any tremec or t-5 swaps completed on a mustang II. One site on the net said it is possible with the use of a lakewood bellhousing without mods to the firewall . is this possible or could I modify and reshape the new fire wall to accomodate the tremec or t-5's bellhousing? thanks for any information you can offer.:) Later narly dudes!:) FORD RULES!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 99 08:44:25 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: Re: this mailing list Apparently, the "small" problem happens around this time every year. Most of the people put their cars away for the winter so there is not much technical discusion going on. I guess the off subject posts were more than some of the list members could handle. That is about all I understood. - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "stangiii" Reply-To: mustangii@list-server.net Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 17:29:09 -0500 > > >---------- >> From: Timothy Grahl >> To: mustangii@list-server.net >> Subject: this mailing list >> Date: Monday, November 15, 1999 9:40 AM >> >> I don't know what about the problem the org list is having but ... > >Are they having problems? > >Please explane. > > >__________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 06:04:24 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: Interior availability Hey Art,yes you can dye your int with great results.I have done this in the past with good results,but have found out that you are better to use dye that you spray from a paint gun,there are some good spray can dyes(check with the eastwood company)but what ever you do stay away from the local wal mart spray dye.this is something you just can not try to get as cheap as possible,it will bite you later.my 77 (just under 64,000 original miles)has holes cut in the same spot,but I have yet to find replacments.hope this helps,if you need the # for eastwood company let me know and I will look it up,they offer a free catalog. Mike, 77 ghia 302/C-4 - --- Viking wrote: > Speaking of interior, my father and I are the > original and "proud" owners > of a Bright Red, 2-door, '77 Mustang II with 84,000 > original miles. I am in > the beginning stages of restoration. > In the 1980s, my father cut speaker holes in the > interior rear quarter > panels above the arm rests. I would like to restore > the car to it's total > original condition and have found some yellow > quarter interior quarter > panels in a junk yard in great condition. > I've "heard" I could possibly dye these plastic > panels to match the > original red quarter panels. Is this true? What do > you recommend. Please > advise. --Art > > -----Original Message----- > From: merlin wizard > To: mustangii@List-Server.net > > Date: Sunday, November 14, 1999 7:18 PM > Subject: Re: Interior availability > > > > I don't know,but my 77 ghia has the same > interior,so > >please somone help us out!...LOL > > Mike > >77 ghia 302/C-4 > > > >--- James Finley wrote: > >> Our King Cobra has a "chamois vinyl" interior > (trim > >> code BT). Mustangs > >> Unlimited's catalog shows carpeting as "saddle" > and > >> upholstery as "ginger" > >> or "sand". Are any of these replacements for > >> Chamois Vinyl? > >> Thanks in advance, Jim Finley > >> > >> > >______________________________________________________ > >> Get Your Private, Free Email at > >> http://www.hotmail.com > >> > > > > > >===== > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do You Yahoo!? > >Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 11:54:54 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric N. Wilkinson" Subject: 351w oil pan Perhaps I am wrong about my steering being lowered to clear the pan. But I have seen two alignment shops and they said the same thing and one of them did the best alignment they could and didn't charge me for it. The car pulls very strongly to the right even though it has been aligned. When it was on the alignment table that allows free movement of the front wheels you could push down on the bumper - simulating a bump in the road - and bothe wheel turn to the right. It only took about ten "bumps" to turn the wheels all the way to full lock - this thing is quite squirelly on the bumps and now I know why. But was the rack really lowered? I am not 100% certain. I have a JPEG of the steering rack if anyone would like to see it. It does appear that the steering rack was removed from the cross-support and new mounting holes were drilled into it below the original ones and the rack was mounted to the new holes. This effects the lower pivot points within the suspension. I hop that this can be fixed and am dissapointed that the 302 pan will not fit. Other people have 351s so there must be a way - could you please tell me the exact type of Milodon oil-pan that was used on your 351w? Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:45:59 -0500 From: "Chris Pasternak" Subject: Re: 351w oil pan I used a Ford Motorsport oil pan for a 351 in mine. I had to get a piece of 2" O.D. steel pipe and use it with a hammer in the radius of the bottom of the pan to gain around 1" clearence. Doing iti this way you cant even tell by looking that I modified it. CHRIS 76 Blue COBRA II 351 77.5 White / Blue COBRA II 2.8 71 Lincoln Mark III 460 (best original non-classic auburn, 1st LCOC nat) - -----Original Message----- From: Eric N. Wilkinson To: mustangii@List-Server.net Date: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 12:58 PM Subject: 351w oil pan >Perhaps I am wrong about my steering being lowered to clear the pan. But >I have seen two alignment shops and they said the same thing and one of >them did the best alignment they could and didn't charge me for it. The >car pulls very strongly to the right even though it has been aligned. >When it was on the alignment table that allows free movement of the >front wheels you could push down on the bumper - simulating a bump in the >road - and bothe wheel turn to the right. It only took about ten "bumps" >to turn the wheels all the way to full lock - this thing is quite >squirelly on the bumps and now I know why. But was the rack really >lowered? I am not 100% certain. I have a JPEG of the steering rack if >anyone would like to see it. It does appear that the steering rack was >removed from the cross-support and new mounting holes were drilled into it >below the original ones and the rack was mounted to the new holes. This >effects the lower pivot points within the suspension. I hop that this can >be fixed and am dissapointed that the 302 pan will not fit. Other people >have 351s so there must be a way - could you please tell me the exact type >of Milodon oil-pan that was used on your 351w? > >Eric > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 16:57:07 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric N. Wilkinson" Subject: Re: 351w oil pan Thanx for emailing a solution to the 351 problem. I have been told that 302 IIs use a cross-member and oil-pan made only for the Mustang II w/302. Is the cross-member on your 351 from a 302? Did you make the 351 from a Mustang II 302? My car was originally a V6. When I tried to put Hedman headers on it that were made for the IIs w/302s it wouldn't fit. I was told that the reason was because the V6 had a different suspension which was getting in the way of the headers(?). I am planning a complete suspension rebuild this January - bushings, springs, and whatever else will make this car have a V8 suspension. ???? What are the real differences in suspension between a V6 and a V8? Eric PS: If you would like to see an animated gif of my car it is at: http://www1.50megs.com/noslen/page1.htm I am sorry that I do not have the complete page done yet - links included. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 15:28:02 -0800 From: "Darryl Lang" Subject: Re: 351w oil pan All Mustang IIs use the same crossmember. The motor mounts and frame mounts may be different between engines. My 351W is in a '74 V6 car and all I changed was the motor mounts. I believe the only suspension difference is the front spring rate, but I'd recommend getting the 1" front and 3/4" rear anti-sway bars for the competition suspension package...if you don't already have them. The Hedman headers for the 302 don't fit with the 351W because the 351W is wider than a 302. There's a guy that visits http://forums.stangnet.com sometimes, that modified a set of 302 Hedman headers to work with his 351W. Hedman does make a set specifically for a 351W in a Mustang II. The 302 headers are 1.5" and the 351W headers are 1.75". Hooker also makes a set, but they require relocating the battery and cutting hols in the fender wells. The Hooker headers require modifying the motor mounts and relocating the oil filter. Darryl Lang http://fp.premier1.net/a351must - ----- Original Message ----- > Thanx for emailing a solution to the 351 problem. I have been told that > 302 IIs use a cross-member and oil-pan made only for the Mustang II w/302. > Is the cross-member on your 351 from a 302? Did you make the 351 from a > Mustang II 302? My car was originally a V6. When I tried to put Hedman > headers on it that were made for the IIs w/302s it wouldn't fit. I was > told that the reason was because the V6 had a different suspension which > was getting in the way of the headers(?). I am planning a complete > suspension rebuild this January - bushings, springs, and whatever else > will make this car have a V8 suspension. > > ???? What are the real differences in suspension between a V6 and a V8? > > > Eric > > PS: > > If you would like to see an animated gif of my car it is at: > > http://www1.50megs.com/noslen/page1.htm > > I am sorry that I do not have the complete page done yet - links included. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 00:49:39 GMT From: "tim thompson" Subject: Re: 351w oil pan Bump steer. Check to make sure the rack is level, and there are not any bent parts, including steering arms on the knuckle. Also, check to see if rack has been moved to one side. All these items can cause bump steer. >The >car pulls very strongly to the right even though it has been aligned. >When it was on the alignment table that allows free movement of the >front wheels you could push down on the bumper - simulating a bump in the >road - and bothe wheel turn to the right. It only took about ten "bumps" >to turn the wheels all the way to full lock - this thing is quite >squirelly on the bumps and now I know why. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:54:55 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric N. Wilkinson" Subject: Re: 351w oil pan II, Thanx, Daryl, for the info on II suspension. I take it that the different motor mounts will alter the height of the motor? I was very happy when going from a 2-barrel to a 4-barrel that my air cleaner could still fit under the hood. I am using a ford cast-iron 4-barrel intake manifold that I got for next to nothing when I just about went broke buying the Edelbrock 750. I have a feeling that when I upgrade to the aluminum Edelbrock manifold that it will be higher. Were there any problems with hood clearance on your 351? I guess it doesn't matter as I have to do something anyway. On bump-steer: I think this might just be the ticket after all. Why would lowering the rack always make the car go right? Bump-steer might be what it is, but why does it always pull to the right even on glass smooth blacktop? It is hard to tell what the reality is so I suppose that all will be right when I completely rebuild the suspension. I find it very interesting, Daryl, that you chose a '77 for your addition to NFS III. Is there something different about this year? (I noticed that your 351 is not a '77). If I were not an Apple person - gasp - I would buy the program just to see what the 351 was all about. My motor is far from built, however. I suspect that since it was originally a 2-barrel that the valves in the heads are smaller than what dedicated 4-barrel heads would have. Is this true? I got the car on a trailer with no wheels, a rag in the gas tank, and a 2-barrel 351W backed by a 4-speed that was in dire need of replacement. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:42:56 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: duraspark ignition Hey all,please do not think me dumb,but is the duraspark ignition module considered the ecu computer?I was recently at the local speed shop and was looking at some parts(engine).they were for non computer controlled cars only,so will they work?I am new to the ford scene and am not used to their electrics.any help will be greatly appreciated.also,are there any II owners on here from ohio? Mike, 77 ghia, 302/C-4 ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 20:51:12 -0800 From: "Vincent Beauvais" Subject: RE: mustang II Transmission I don't know how much help this will be, but I do know someone who has a T-5 in their 77 Cobra II. I believe the shifter didn't line up where the 4-speed used to line up, so a new hole had to be cut in the transmission tunnel. I'm not sure if anything had to be done to the firewall. Vince - -----Original Message----- From: owner-mustangii@List-Server.net [mailto:owner-mustangii@List-Server.net]On Behalf Of Timothy Grahl Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 1999 5:35 AM To: mustangii@List-Server.net Subject: FWD: mustang II Transmission Ok all of you T-5 wizards, can you help this person out?? - ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: ZenSonic@aol.com Date: Mon, 15 Nov 1999 20:00:59 EST Hi, my name is Brian I am 23 and a proud owner of a 78 cobra II and a 73 comet I also once owned a72 buick skylark, 77 mach I, 73 torino,62 falcon, 81witha 5.0l swap done, a 90 mustang lx convertable(4cyl) 86 skyhawk and a 77cutless supreme w swivel buckets the engine blew up in that one a rod went. But now I am on the right track My question is -do you know of any tremec or t-5 swaps completed on a mustang II. One site on the net said it is possible with the use of a lakewood bellhousing without mods to the firewall . is this possible or could I modify and reshape the new fire wall to accomodate the tremec or t-5's bellhousing? thanks for any information you can offer.:) Later narly dudes!:) FORD RULES!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:38:05 -0800 From: "Darryl Lang" Subject: RE: 351w oil pan -----Original Message----- Thanx, Daryl, for the info on II suspension. I take it that the different motor mounts will alter the height of the motor? I was very happy when going from a 2-barrel to a 4-barrel that my air cleaner could still fit under the hood. I am using a ford cast-iron 4-barrel intake manifold that I got for next to nothing when I just about went broke buying the Edelbrock 750. I have a feeling that when I upgrade to the aluminum Edelbrock manifold that it will be higher. Were there any problems with hood clearance on your 351? I guess it doesn't matter as I have to do something anyway. Yes, I have hood clearance problems, but I'm using the Edelbrock Performer RPM intake. I would've loved to have something shorter to keep things under the hood, but now I'm looking for a dual 4bbl intake, or I'll go to a single plane, high rise intake. I don't think I'd ever miss a little low-end torque, and could use some extra mid-range from a single plane. When I get going on the 351W for my '76, I might use a cast-iron 4bbl intake. It depends on clearances. I have an Offy dual-port 351W intake that would be nice to use. On bump-steer: I think this might just be the ticket after all. Why would lowering the rack always make the car go right? Bump-steer might be what it is, but why does it always pull to the right even on glass smooth blacktop? It is hard to tell what the reality is so I suppose that all will be right when I completely rebuild the suspension. All my lowered cars have had bad bump steer and rut following characteristics. I finally found a good fix though. I found an alignment shop that doesn't have their head up their rear end and got correct alignments done. I find it very interesting, Daryl, that you chose a '77 for your addition to NFS III. Is there something different about this year? (I noticed that your 351 is not a '77). If I were not an Apple person - gasp - I would buy the program just to see what the 351 was all about. My motor is far from built, however. I suspect that since it was originally a 2-barrel that the valves in the heads are smaller than what dedicated 4-barrel heads would have. Is this true? I got the car on a trailer with no wheels, a rag in the gas tank, and a 2-barrel 351W backed by a 4-speed that was in dire need of replacement. Eric The NFS III car isn't really meant to be a '77. Most of the pictures used to create the dash were taken inside the '77 Mach 1 and my '78 T-Top. Both cars have decent black interiors with the aluminum dash so I thought they'd work better than my '74 interior with the wood grain dash. NFS III isn't really a true to life simulation, but I believe the acceleration performance I modeled there comes pretty close. The cornering and handling isn't really realistic. In real life, the car handles extremely good, but the game gets a little far fetched sometimes. You can't even do donuts if you try. I don't know too much about head differences between years of 351W and the carburetion used with them. I believe up to '73 (I think), the heads had 1.84" intake valves and later they downsized to 1.79" like the 302 uses. Mine has Edelbrock aluminum heads with 1.90" intake valves so it doesn't even compare to any stock motors. It'll keep the N/A 351W powered II even with a supercharged 5.0L FOX. Darryl ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #35 ****************************** mustangii-digest Thursday, November 18 1999 Volume 01 : Number 036 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 17 Nov 99 10:21:57 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: Mailing List Archives All of the past posts to this list are now available at http://www.mustangii.net/archives.htm They will be updated at the end of each month and put into one large monthly file. September and October archives are currently available. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 10:16:00 -0800 From: "Darryl Lang" Subject: Re: 351w oil pan Lets try this again so it's readable: - ----- Original Message ----- > Thanx, Daryl, for the info on II suspension. I take it that the different > motor mounts will alter the height of the motor? I was very happy when > going from a 2-barrel to a 4-barrel that my air cleaner could still fit > under the hood. I am using a ford cast-iron 4-barrel intake manifold that > I got for next to nothing when I just about went broke buying the > Edelbrock 750. I have a feeling that when I upgrade to the aluminum > Edelbrock manifold that it will be higher. Were there any problems with > hood clearance on your 351? I guess it doesn't matter as I have to do > something anyway. Yes, I have hood clearance problems, but I'm using the Edelbrock Performer RPM intake. I would've loved to have something shorter to keep things under the hood, but now I'm looking for a dual 4bbl intake, or I'll go to a single plane, high rise intake. I don't think I'd ever miss a little low-end torque, and could use some extra mid-range from a single plane. When I get going on the 351W for my '76, I might use a cast-iron 4bbl intake. It depends on clearances. I have an Offy dual-port 351W intake that would be nice to use. > On bump-steer: I think this might just be the ticket after all. Why > would lowering the rack always make the car go right? Bump-steer might be > what it is, but why does it always pull to the right even on glass smooth > blacktop? It is hard to tell what the reality is so I suppose that all > will be right when I completely rebuild the suspension. All my lowered cars have had bad bump steer and rut following characteristics. I finally found a good fix though. I found an alignment shop that doesn't have their head up their rear end and got correct alignments done. > I find it very interesting, Daryl, that you chose a '77 for your addition > to NFS III. Is there something different about this year? (I noticed > that your 351 is not a '77). If I were not an Apple person - gasp - I > would buy the program just to see what the 351 was all about. My motor is > far from built, however. I suspect that since it was originally a > 2-barrel that the valves in the heads are smaller than what dedicated > 4-barrel heads would have. Is this true? I got the car on a trailer with > no wheels, a rag in the gas tank, and a 2-barrel 351W backed by a 4-speed > that was in dire need of replacement. > > Eric The NFS III car isn't really meant to be a '77. Most of the pictures used to create the dash were taken inside the '77 Mach 1 and my '78 T-Top. Both cars have decent black interiors with the aluminum dash so I thought they'd work better than my '74 interior with the wood grain dash. NFS III isn't really a true to life simulation, but I believe the acceleration performance I modeled there comes pretty close. The cornering and handling isn't really realistic. In real life, the car handles extremely good, but the game gets a little far fetched sometimes. You can't even do donuts if you try. I don't know too much about head differences between years of 351W and the carburetion used with them. I believe up to '73 (I think), the heads had 1.84" intake valves and later they downsized to 1.79" like the 302 uses. Mine has Edelbrock aluminum heads with 1.90" intake valves so it doesn't even compare to any stock motors. It'll keep the N/A 351W powered II even with a supercharged 5.0L FOX. Darryl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 17 Nov 1999 22:55:25 EST From: BADBRY67@aol.com Subject: Re: 351w oil pan I'm trying to find a rear spoiler for a 76 cobra II anybody out there know where i might get one? ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #36 ****************************** mustangii-digest Friday, November 19 1999 Volume 01 : Number 037 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 01:00:06 GMT From: "tim thompson" Subject: Re: bump steer Lowering the rack would ,if not level, cause a bump-steer situation. It wouldn't cause the car to pull. That's why I suggested checking for bent steering arms, etc. If a steering arm is bent, it can cause a pull. Excessive caster or camber split will also cause a pull. It seems to me that there are at least two problems here. First would be whatever is causing the bump-steer. Second would be the pull. One possible scenario is that the steering arm or knuckle could be collision-damaged. This would have the effect of inducing bump-steer, as well as possibly altering caster, camber, and toe. You really should get the car to a COMPETENT shop that will actually use the diagnostic angles to check for damage. Many shops, it seems, will "set the toe and let it go". For this reason, I recommend a shop that focuses on alignment. Major brand tire retailers (Goodyear, etc) are a good place to start. A shop that is a front end shop, if available, is also a good choice. Mass merchandisers (Sears, Pep boys, etc) are not usually one of the better choices. While there are occasionally competent techs in these businesses, more often you are dealing with someone that doesn't really understand all the various angles involved. Another good idea may be to check with any drag racers in your area, as dedicated drag cars frequently require deviation from factory specs for high speed stability. A shop that can accommodate racers will usually have a more open attitude. Don't ignore the basics like dragging brake caliper, excessive bearing preload, etc. Hope this helps some. >On bump-steer: I think this might just be the ticket after all. Why >would lowering the rack always make the car go right? Bump-steer might be >what it is, but why does it always pull to the right even on glass smooth >blacktop? It is hard to tell what the reality is so I suppose that all >will be right when I completely rebuild the suspension. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #37 ****************************** mustangii-digest Saturday, November 20 1999 Volume 01 : Number 038 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 19:22:05 -0500 From: "stangiii" Subject: Re: 351w oil pan - ---------- > From: Eric N. Wilkinson > you could push down on the bumper - simulating a bump in the > road - and bothe wheel turn to the right. It only took about ten "bumps" > to turn the wheels all the way to full lock - Something on the front end is way out of adjustment. While I was fooling with MII #1 I readjusted the front suspension many times. This once, on a snowy night, I played with the upper arms. While traveling over the slush and "snow bunnies" dropped from other vehicles the wheel would go through 1/4 turn. Thankfully it was a manual rack and I could let ti move as it wanted. With a power unit it would ave been uncontrolable. While it was fun to be able to turn the wheel from a dead stop and make Her walk around in circles, .... I don't remember just where I screwed up, it's been about 15 years .. I just remember I had the front end geometry buggered in a big way. A real big way since ... The Deuce front end is reknowned for it's lack of "bump stear". As far as oil pans, My 351W has about 3/16 clearance between the crank and rack. There is an oil pan between them. Not the most comfortable of situations. The engine was lowered for CG reasons and as a "proof of concept". It realy does help the handling. I cut and brazed the Versialles 351pan to "fit". With the engine lowering I have oil pooling in the back half the engine in the oil pan. All I have to do mow is get the "windage" to help the oil back to the sump. And Golly, I wish there was an afordable dry sump pump out there ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Nov 1999 02:06:51 EST From: ZSTLKR@aol.com Subject: Re: 351w oil pan I think u got the wrong person chuck ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #38 ****************************** mustangii-digest Tuesday, November 23 1999 Volume 01 : Number 039 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 18:17:29 -0600 From: Donnie Nix Subject: Re: Rearend Did ALL Mustang IIs come with an 8 inch rearend? thank you. Bobby 78 Cobra II ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Nov 1999 17:36:27 -0800 From: "Darryl Lang" Subject: Re: Rearend Nope, I think all V6 and V8 ones did, but the 4cyl cars usually had a 6.75" rear. Darryl - ----- Original Message ----- > Did ALL Mustang IIs come with an 8 inch rearend? thank you. > > Bobby > 78 Cobra II > ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #39 ****************************** mustangii-digest Wednesday, November 24 1999 Volume 01 : Number 040 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 09:27:29 -0500 From: "Timothy M. Grahl" Subject: Mustang Monopoly This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF3594.F61F1F90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_002E_01BF3594.F61F1F90" - ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01BF3594.F61F1F90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just in case anyone is curious, don't bother buying the Mustang = Monopoly game. There are no references or pictures of any Mustang II = in the entire game. Seems we were left out in the cold again. I have written the company, (email actually), expressing my = disappointment in this "oversight". Timothy M. Grahl - ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01BF3594.F61F1F90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Just in case anyone is = curious,  don't=20 bother buying the Mustang Monopoly game.   There are no = references or=20 pictures of any Mustang II in the entire game.   Seems we were = left=20 out in the cold again.
 
I have written the company, (email actually), = expressing my=20 disappointment in this "oversight".
 
 
Timothy M. = Grahl
- ------=_NextPart_001_002E_01BF3594.F61F1F90-- - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF3594.F61F1F90 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Timothy M. Grahl.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Timothy M. Grahl.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Grahl;Timothy;M. FN:Timothy M. Grahl ORG:Internet Operations Center;Web Development TITLE:Web Development and E-Commerce Specialist TEL;WORK;VOICE:248.204.8806 TEL;HOME;VOICE:313.533.1280 TEL;HOME;FAX:313.537.3536 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;200 Galleria = Officentre=3D0D=3D0ASuite 109;Southfield;Michigan;48240;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:200 Galleria = Officentre=3D0D=3D0ASuite 109=3D0D=3D0ASouthfield, Michigan = 48240=3D0D=3D =3D0AUSA ADR;HOME:;;19964 Fox;Redford;MI;48240;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:19964 Fox=3D0D=3D0ARedford, MI = 48240=3D0D=3D0AUSA URL:http://www.mustangii.net URL:http://www.iocenter.net EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:tgrahl@iocenter.net REV:19991123T142728Z END:VCARD - ------=_NextPart_000_002D_01BF3594.F61F1F90-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 10:42:35 -0800 From: "Darryl Lang" Subject: Re: Mustang Monopoly This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF359F.74264300 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable handing out e-mail addresses for these companies sure helps get bulk = responses out of the rest of us, you know... I'm really good at the "I bought this product of yours and was = disappointed to find there were no Mustangs from '74-'78 represented so = it has been returned. I would happily by this product in the future if = the years of Mustang I'm interested in were represented in a future = release." type of message. Darryl ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Timothy M. Grahl=20 To: mustangii@List-Server.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 6:27 AM Subject: Mustang Monopoly Just in case anyone is curious, don't bother buying the Mustang = Monopoly game. There are no references or pictures of any Mustang II = in the entire game. Seems we were left out in the cold again. =20 I have written the company, (email actually), expressing my = disappointment in this "oversight". =20 Timothy M. Grahl - ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF359F.74264300 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
handing out e-mail addresses for these = companies=20 sure helps get bulk responses out of the rest of us, you = know...
 
I'm really good at the "I bought this = product of=20 yours and was disappointed to find there were no Mustangs from '74-'78=20 represented so it has been returned.  I would happily by this = product in=20 the future if the years of Mustang I'm interested in were represented in = a=20 future release." type of message.
 
Darryl
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Timothy M.=20 Grahl
To: mustangii@List-Server.net
Sent: Tuesday, November 23, = 1999 6:27=20 AM
Subject: Mustang Monopoly

Just in case anyone is = curious,  don't=20 bother buying the Mustang Monopoly game.   There are no = references=20 or pictures of any Mustang II in the entire game.   Seems we = were=20 left out in the cold again.
 
I have written the company, (email actually), = expressing my=20 disappointment in this "oversight".
 
 
Timothy M.=20 Grahl
- ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01BF359F.74264300-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:09:42 -0500 From: "Timothy M. Grahl" Subject: Re: Mustang Monopoly This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01BF35C4.C5421E10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_00A4_01BF35C4.C543A4B0" - ------=_NextPart_001_00A4_01BF35C4.C543A4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, I thought I included that. Here is the email to voice your complaints customersupport@usaopoly.com So far, I haven't gotten a response. -----Original Message----- From: Darryl Lang To: mustangii@List-Server.net Date: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:43 PM Subject: Re: Mustang Monopoly =20 =20 handing out e-mail addresses for these companies sure helps get bulk = responses out of the rest of us, you know... =20 I'm really good at the "I bought this product of yours and was = disappointed to find there were no Mustangs from '74-'78 represented so = it has been returned. I would happily by this product in the future if = the years of Mustang I'm interested in were represented in a future = release." type of message. =20 Darryl ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Timothy M. Grahl=20 To: mustangii@List-Server.net=20 Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 1999 6:27 AM Subject: Mustang Monopoly =20 =20 Just in case anyone is curious, don't bother buying the Mustang = Monopoly game. There are no references or pictures of any Mustang II = in the entire game. Seems we were left out in the cold again. =20 I have written the company, (email actually), expressing my = disappointment in this "oversight". =20 =20 Timothy M. Grahl - ------=_NextPart_001_00A4_01BF35C4.C543A4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry, I thought I included = that.
 
Here is the email to voice your = complaints
 
customersupport@usaopoly.com=
 
So far, I haven't gotten a response.
 
-----Original = Message-----
From:=20 Darryl Lang <a351must@premier1.net>
To:=20 mustangii@List-Server.net=20 <mustangii@List-Server.net&g= t;
Date:=20 Tuesday, November 23, 1999 1:43 PM
Subject: Re: = Mustang=20 Monopoly

handing out e-mail addresses for = these=20 companies sure helps get bulk responses out of the rest of us, you=20 know...
 
I'm really good at the "I = bought this=20 product of yours and was disappointed to find there were no Mustangs = from=20 '74-'78 represented so it has been returned.  I would happily = by this=20 product in the future if the years of Mustang I'm interested in were = represented in a future release." type of message.
 
Darryl
----- Original Message ----- =
From:=20 Timothy=20 M. Grahl
To: mustangii@List-Server.net =
Sent: Tuesday, November = 23, 1999=20 6:27 AM
Subject: Mustang = Monopoly

Just in case anyone is = curious, =20 don't bother buying the Mustang Monopoly game.   There = are no=20 references or pictures of any Mustang II in the entire = game.  =20 Seems we were left out in the cold again.
 
I have written the company, (email = actually),=20 expressing my disappointment in this = "oversight".
 
 
Timothy M.=20 Grahl
- ------=_NextPart_001_00A4_01BF35C4.C543A4B0-- - ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01BF35C4.C5421E10 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Timothy M. Grahl.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Timothy M. Grahl.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Grahl;Timothy;M. FN:Timothy M. Grahl ORG:Internet Operations Center;Web Development TITLE:Web Development and E-Commerce Specialist TEL;WORK;VOICE:248.204.8806 TEL;HOME;VOICE:313.533.1280 TEL;HOME;FAX:313.537.3536 ADR;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:;;200 Galleria = Officentre=3D0D=3D0ASuite 109;Southfield;Michigan;48240;USA LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:200 Galleria = Officentre=3D0D=3D0ASuite 109=3D0D=3D0ASouthfield, Michigan = 48240=3D0D=3D =3D0AUSA ADR;HOME:;;19964 Fox;Redford;MI;48240;USA LABEL;HOME;ENCODING=3DQUOTED-PRINTABLE:19964 Fox=3D0D=3D0ARedford, MI = 48240=3D0D=3D0AUSA URL:http://www.mustangii.net URL:http://www.iocenter.net EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:tgrahl@iocenter.net REV:19991123T200942Z END:VCARD - ------=_NextPart_000_00A3_01BF35C4.C5421E10-- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Nov 1999 20:13:59 EST From: ZSTLKR@aol.com Subject: Re: Rearend no only the v6 an v8 ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #40 ****************************** mustangii-digest Thursday, November 25 1999 Volume 01 : Number 041 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 24 Nov 1999 15:01:47 EST From: REBELMUST@aol.com Subject: Re: Rearend no,some had a 7 inch rear end,mostly 4 cyl cars,steve ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #41 ****************************** mustangii-digest Sunday, November 28 1999 Volume 01 : Number 042 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:36:50 -0500 From: " DAVE WILSON" Subject: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BF38AA.2AAC6480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Has anyone ever installed an aftermarket camshaft and stayed with the mechanical fuel pump? Back in 78 when I rebuilt my 72 302 I installed an aftermarket cam and new chain. I discovered that the thicker timing chain gear didn't allow for the alignment pin to fit into the fuel pump eccentric, thus no fuel would pump. I then went to an electric fuel pump. Now after almost 20 years I want to go back to mechanical and have the same problem. Summit racing suggested a two piece eccentric from NAPA, which they didn't have a clue. The Ford dealer knew that a two piece eccentric wouldn't solve my problem. So I called Crane cams who said you just pull the pin out an put a longer one in (too simple to be true)....which should be available at your local hardware store. Great news except that I can't get the sucker out. Vice grips won't pull it out or even let me rotate it. Now I'm looking at pulling the cam out to have it pressed out....which means pull the intake, rockers, lifters...a lot more work than I planned. Anyone have any experiences with the mechanical fuel pump set up? Was changing the pin's the answer? Thanks Dave Wilson - ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BF38AA.2AAC6480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Has anyone ever installed an = aftermarket=20 camshaft and stayed with the mechanical fuel pump? 
 
Back in 78 when I rebuilt my 72 302 = I installed=20 an aftermarket cam and new chain.  I discovered that the thicker = timing=20 chain gear didn't allow for the alignment pin to fit into the fuel pump=20 eccentric, thus no fuel would pump.  I then went to an electric = fuel=20 pump.
 
Now after almost 20 years I want to = go back to=20 mechanical and have the same problem.  Summit racing suggested a = two piece=20 eccentric from NAPA, which they didn't have a clue.  The Ford = dealer knew=20 that a two piece eccentric wouldn't solve my problem.  So I called = Crane=20 cams who said you just pull the pin out an put a longer one in (too = simple to be=20 true)....which should be available at your local hardware store. =20
 
Great news except that I can't get = the sucker=20 out.  Vice grips won't pull it out or even let me rotate it.
Now = I'm=20 looking at pulling the cam out to have it pressed out....which means = pull the=20 intake, rockers, lifters...a lot more work than I planned.
 
Anyone have any experiences with the = mechanical=20 fuel pump set up?  Was changing the pin's the answer?
 
 
 

 
 
Thanks
Dave=20 Wilson
 
 
 
 
- ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01BF38AA.2AAC6480-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:07:09 GMT From: "tim thompson" Subject: Re: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams The two-piece IS the answer. It locates with a bent tab that fits over the drive pin. Should be easy to get at salvage, etc. >From: " DAVE WILSON" >Reply-To: mustangii@list-server.net >To: "2nd Mustang II listg" >Subject: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams >Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:36:50 -0500 > >Now after almost 20 years I want to go back to mechanical and have the same >problem. Summit racing suggested a two piece eccentric from NAPA, which >they didn't have a clue. The Ford dealer knew that a two piece eccentric >wouldn't solve my problem. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:17:46 -0500 From: " DAVE WILSON" Subject: RE: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams You mean that the cam eccentric has a tab that fits into the sprocket, rather than the pin from the camshaft sticking trough the sprocket into the eccentric? Thanks Dave Fisher Titus Medical Center > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mustangii@List-Server.net > [mailto:owner-mustangii@List-Server.net]On Behalf Of tim thompson > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 11:07 AM > To: mustangii@list-server.net > Subject: Re: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams > > > The two-piece IS the answer. It locates with a bent tab that fits > over the > drive pin. Should be easy to get at salvage, etc. > > > >From: " DAVE WILSON" > >Reply-To: mustangii@list-server.net > >To: "2nd Mustang II listg" > >Subject: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams > >Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 07:36:50 -0500 > > > > >Now after almost 20 years I want to go back to mechanical and > have the same > >problem. Summit racing suggested a two piece eccentric from NAPA, which > >they didn't have a clue. The Ford dealer knew that a two piece eccentric > >wouldn't solve my problem. > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 10:19:46 -0600 From: Mark Cook Subject: Re: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams DAVE WILSON wrote: > Has anyone ever installed an aftermarket camshaft and stayed with the > mechanical fuel pump? All the time. > Back in 78 when I rebuilt my 72 302 I installed an aftermarket cam and > new chain. I discovered that the thicker timing chain gear didn't > allow for the alignment pin to fit into the fuel pump eccentric, thus > no fuel would pump. I then went to an electric fuel pump. Sounds to me like you have a 71 motor (or at least an early timing cover) and you put on the late 72 or later timing chain setup. The later setups are thicker and with the fuel pump eccentric it will rub the timing cover. Go to the parts store and compare a 70/71 timing set vs. the 72/up and you will see what I mean. I think that you could go back with all pre 72 pieces and solve your problems. Mark 80 Bobcat 302 "Current project" 73 Mustang 429 SCJ "Long term project" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:20:32 EST From: ChlLock@aol.com Subject: Re: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams In a message dated 11/27/1999 11:18:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, DWILSON@ftmc.com writes: << You mean that the cam eccentric has a tab that fits into the sprocket, rather than the pin from the camshaft sticking trough the sprocket into the eccentric? >> Try DOAZ 6287-A and D5AZ 6287-B... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:21:27 EST From: SSDSERV@aol.com Subject: Re: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams I am not the person intrested in cam shaft tech. Make sure the person you are writing to is the corect one.SSDSERV ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:07:40 -0500 From: stangiii@yahoo.com Subject: Re: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams DAVE WILSON wrote: > You mean that the cam eccentric has a tab that fits into the sprocket, > rather than the pin from the camshaft sticking trough the sprocket into the > eccentric? I think tim thompson is correct. What I seem to remember is the inner part having a tab that fits into the driven gear. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:28:24 EST From: COBRAII976@aol.com Subject: Re: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams Dave, I take it your running the double roller and want to use the mechinical fuel pump take a look at Tim's engine pics the double roller is attached to a lunati "284" cam the fuel pump is a napa item the cam eccentrick is the One piece circa late 60's and has a locating tab on it, your going to find that two piece has the same deal a locating pin. I'll dig one of each up and get you some pics to check it out. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:49:47 EST From: COBRAII976@aol.com Subject: Re: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams In a message dated 11/27/99 11:22:25 AM Eastern Standard Time, SSDSERV@aol.com writes: > I am not the person intrested in cam shaft tech. Make sure the person you are > > writing to is the corect one.SSDSER I don't know if you understand that you are subscribed to a MAILING LIST this means that you will get to see every post sent to the listserve weather you want to see it or read it. when you post to the mustangii@list-service.net address it sends it to everyone on subscribed to the list. you can however reply to the person directly but thats not very helpful for someone reading the list that does not want to ask the same question. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 19:23:20 GMT From: "tim thompson" Subject: How a list works When you sign up for a mail list, you will recieve all the posts to it. These messages are not being sent specifically to you, but to the whole list. Check the from line. You'll just have to delete the posts that don't interest you. Later Tim >From: SSDSERV@aol.com >Reply-To: mustangii@list-server.net >To: mustangii@list-server.net >Subject: Re: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams >Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 11:21:27 EST > >I am not the person intrested in cam shaft tech. Make sure the person you >are >writing to is the corect one.SSDSERV ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 12:55:51 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: cobra II hood any ideas on where to get a cobra II hood and front lower spoiler for my 77 ghia? or at least a bond on cobra II style scoop.also,I have some hedman hedders,anyone have any info on them,fitment etc....thanks ahead of time for any help. Mike, 77 ghia 302/C-4 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:06:14 EST From: COBRAII976@aol.com Subject: Re: cobra II hood Mike cobra II hood is a regular flat hood with four holes in the hood I can get you a template as for the cobraII scoop it was a bolt on unit I have them for 85.00 perfect used 50 for the blank cut out and some varying from 50-80 lower spoiler I have a few left I'll tell you the truth shop Phil CT Rebel get some prices I'll tell you right now 150 and thats perfect used also you might want to check out CAR and Second Generation mustang II. Headman headder part number 3502 the number 5 cyl header tube runs under the cross member and it get some abuse. your options there are to live with it have a tube custom bent and fit in that tube is removable have it routed right. Walker Muffler bought out most of the header companies a year or so ago so whatever left in someone's wharehouse is it for headers. As for fit there not that bad I can e-mail you some pics with the headmans installed with a SROD 4 speed and send you some pics of the blacjack and dyno max headers that fit better, ADE Mustang II Dave/ Ed ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 16:10:08 EST From: REBELMUST@aol.com Subject: Re: cobra II hood i sometimes get these parts,bolt on factory hood scoop (used) and cobra chin spoiler,but i do not have them atthis time,check with me from time to time to see if i have ,seams everyone wants these 2 parts as thay look good on both coupe and fastback,cobra or not,have lots of new weatherstriping and bumper skins,gas tanks, and stock front valance that goes behind cobra spoiler its the plastic piece on all mustang ii thanks steve ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 1999 13:18:08 -0800 From: H D Subject: Re: cobra II hood On Sat, 27 November 1999, merlin wizard wrote: > > any ideas on where to get a cobra II hood and front > lower spoiler for my 77 ghia? or at least a bond on > cobra II style scoop.also,I have some hedman > hedders,anyone have any info on them,fitment > etc....thanks ahead of time for any help. > > Mike, > 77 ghia > 302/C-4 > Mike The only difference in a cobra hood and a mustang II hood is the bolt on hood scoop. There are used scoops availible from Rebel Mustang II rebelsales@iname.com for approx 35.oo and The Mustang II Specialty Shop pschmidt65@prodigy.net There are after market chin spoilers at these sites also.I got mine at CT Mustang for about 60.00 According to Hedman they recommend # 88350 1 1/2 x 3 full lenght HTH HD _____________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com 93 F-150 65 Fairlane 500 Sportscoupe ______________________________________________________________ Open your mind. Close your wallet. Free Internet Access from AltaVista. http://www.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: 27 Nov 1999 13:18:08 -0800 From: H D Subject: Re: cobra II hood On Sat, 27 November 1999, merlin wizard wrote: > > any ideas on where to get a cobra II hood and front > lower spoiler for my 77 ghia? or at least a bond on > cobra II style scoop.also,I have some hedman > hedders,anyone have any info on them,fitment > etc....thanks ahead of time for any help. > > Mike, > 77 ghia > 302/C-4 > Mike The only difference in a cobra hood and a mustang II hood is the bolt on hood scoop. There are used scoops availible from Rebel Mustang II rebelsales@iname.com for approx 35.oo and The Mustang II Specialty Shop pschmidt65@prodigy.net There are after market chin spoilers at these sites also.I got mine at CT Mustang for about 60.00 According to Hedman they recommend # 88350 1 1/2 x 3 full lenght HTH HD _____________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com 93 F-150 65 Fairlane 500 Sportscoupe ______________________________________________________________ Open your mind. Close your wallet. Free Internet Access from AltaVista. http://www.altavista.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:35:33 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: cobra II hood hey,thanks for the info.if you get any of these in please let me know. Mike 77 Ghia 302/C-4 - --- REBELMUST@aol.com wrote: > i sometimes get these parts,bolt on factory hood > scoop (used) and cobra chin > spoiler,but i do not have them atthis time,check > with me from time to time to > see if i have ,seams everyone wants these 2 parts as > thay look good on both > coupe and fastback,cobra or not,have lots of new > weatherstriping and bumper > skins,gas tanks, > and stock front valance that goes behind cobra > spoiler its the plastic piece > on all > mustang ii thanks steve > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:39:41 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: cobra II hood hey,thanks for the info,I will check it out.thanks again. Mike 77Ghia 302/C-4 - --- H D wrote: > On Sat, 27 November 1999, merlin wizard wrote: > > > > > any ideas on where to get a cobra II hood and > front > > lower spoiler for my 77 ghia? or at least a bond > on > > cobra II style scoop.also,I have some hedman > > hedders,anyone have any info on them,fitment > > etc....thanks ahead of time for any help. > > > > Mike, > > 77 ghia > > 302/C-4 > > Mike The only difference in a cobra hood and a > mustang II hood is the bolt on hood scoop. There are > used scoops availible from Rebel Mustang II > rebelsales@iname.com for approx 35.oo and The > Mustang II Specialty Shop pschmidt65@prodigy.net > There are after market chin spoilers at these sites > also.I got mine at CT Mustang for about 60.00 > According to Hedman they recommend # 88350 1 1/2 x 3 > full lenght HTH HD > _____________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All > in one place. > > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > 93 F-150 > 65 Fairlane 500 Sportscoupe > ______________________________________________________________ > Open your mind. Close your wallet. > Free Internet Access from AltaVista. > http://www.altavista.com > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 18:31:32 -0500 From: stangiii@yahoo.com Subject: Re: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams COBRAII976@aol.com wrote: > SSDSERV@aol.com writes: > > Make sure the person you are > > writing to is the corect one.SSDSER > > I don't know if you understand that you are subscribed to a MAILING LIST this > means that you will get to see every post sent to the listserve weather you > want to see it or read it. when you post to the mustangii@list-service.net > address it sends it to everyone on subscribed to the list. > Dave Good point. It is the " nature of the Beast ". This list is suppose to be "tech" oriented. Subscribers get all messages. I have a rough 77 Deuce with 77 351W, 11" clutch, iron bell, 67 289 top loader, and Versailles 9". I have a 11" brake kit in storage. So I didn't archive the V6 postings on the "social" mail list. They didn't apply. Until I found a '78 Mach with V6. Well loaded, original and straight ( except for one quarter, about $750 - $1k to make entire cars structures and alignment ~ perfect ) ). Total cost to date: $1200. So now I wish I had saved all sorts of information. Point is: I never Know what I may need to Know, so I might as well learn as much as I can. Charcoal is here, Got to go. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:17:35 -0600 From: "kmwatts" Subject: 1987 TURBO T-BIRD REAREND Would anyone happen to know if this rearend would fit into my Mustang II? If it's just a matter of moving the mounting pads that's no problem...sure would be nice for three reasons...one it's free, two disc brakes and three it's 5 bolt axles...T.I.A. Kenneth Watts ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 01:49:01 EST From: COBRAII976@aol.com Subject: Re: 1987 TURBO T-BIRD REAREND 4 it's a 7.5 quad shock rear 5 there weak 6 it will take lots of fab work to get it in 7 the 8 inch in is a better rear end 8 if you want 5 lug and disk trade it for a linclon versilles rear t 9 the linclon is a 9 inch ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 00:43:51 -0800 From: "Darryl Lang" Subject: RE: 1987 TURBO T-BIRD REAREND Sorry Dave, but I have to disagree/agree on a couple points... > -----Original Message----- > 4 it's a 7.5 quad shock rear It's a Quad shock 8.8" with disc brakes...'87 and '88 only > 5 there weak Doesn't apply since it's an 8.8" > 6 it will take lots of fab work to get it in Either way, it'll take some fab work to install > 7 the 8 inch in is a better rear end The 8 inch is better than a 7.5", but I'd call the 8.8 an even draw, at least > 8 if you want 5 lug and disk trade it for a linclon versilles rear t Definate better choice...even better would be a '65 Mustang 5 lug 8"...other than the disc brake point. Plus the '87 and '88 T-Bird had a 4-lug 8.8" anyways. > 9 the linclon is a 9 inch less efficient than the 8" or 8.8", but it's harder to break. Darryl :) ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #42 ****************************** mustangii-digest Monday, November 29 1999 Volume 01 : Number 043 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:54:02 EST From: ZSTLKR@aol.com Subject: Re: cobra II hood i have the king cobra air dam anrear wheel skirts i want 600.00 obo on them chuck zstlkr@aol.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 11:59:11 EST From: ZSTLKR@aol.com Subject: Re: 1987 TURBO T-BIRD REAREND get in touch with mustang illistrated they did an article about puttin in a rearend from a fox chassis a few yrs back chuck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 13:59:43 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric N. Wilkinson" Subject: Re: [stangii-digest] V4 #591 (fwd) II Fans, (firstly; if I reply to 'stangii@mustangii,org' alone, does it go to all members of this forum? Or is it 'mustangii@List-Server.net'?) In reference to the person wanting to switch a 2400 to a 2800 I wish to make the following observations. I realize that it will be more work and would perhaps neccesitate a new radiator and perhaps even a different transmission, but how about stepping up to a V8? My 351W fits really nicely and complete motors that are in good shape should make it a financial probability. It sounds as if you were really wanting to hype up your four-cylinder(?), but 'there aint no substitute for cubic inches'. You could have a mild and very reliable V8 that would provide more torque than tire, and isn't that what we all want? Please visit my site: http://www1.50megs.com/noslen A 302 would fit a little easier, after all it is made for it. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 14:01:18 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric N. Wilkinson" Subject: Re: [stangii-digest] V4 #588 (fwd) II Fans, Does anyone have any experience with the Davis Unified Ignition that puts a GM HEI on a Ford? I would like to go to this, but don't know about its track record. This is the product that puts the coil in the distributor - does it also put the ignition (computer) there? That and putting the battery in back would really clean things up and might be more cost effecttive than an entire MSD system - any thoughts? Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 28 Nov 1999 19:47:48 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: cobra II hood thanks,but due to lack of money and the fact that my truck died and I need one I am thinking of selling my 77 ghia.it has under 64,000 orig miles,black in color.factory 302/C-4 . it was garaged and driven in the summer only for many years and is very nice.even the floor and trunk have no rust holes.it has custom wheels,grant steering wheel,edelbrock intake,holley carb,almost new $300 stereo(did not butcher the dash!),factory sunroof(which had a new seal not to long ago)it has no tears on the int.factory tach.i think that's about it......and I just put a new ignition control module and voltage regulator on it as well as plugs,wires,cap,and rotor.it is a great car but I need a truck for work so.....I am going to ask $1500 or best offer.I live in ohio,if anyone wants pics e-mail me and I will send them.if you have a truck of equal value we may be able to work out a trade if you live close,as I do not have tags or insurance the mustang and can not drive it on the road.it is peacfully sitting in the garage protected from the elements...lol thanks anyway chuck. Mike 77Ghia 302/C-4 - --- ZSTLKR@aol.com wrote: > i have the king cobra air dam anrear wheel skirts i > want 600.00 obo on them > chuck > zstlkr@aol.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 00:58:47 -0500 From: "Mark." Subject: Re: cobra II hood merlin wizard wrote: > ... .I live in ohio,if anyone wants ... Where in Ohio? __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #43 ****************************** mustangii-digest Tuesday, November 30 1999 Volume 01 : Number 044 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 07:41:03 -0500 From: " DAVE WILSON" Subject: RE: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams Is this the site your were referring to? http://www.mustangii.net/projects.htm Thanks Dave Fisher Titus Medical Center > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-mustangii@List-Server.net > [mailto:owner-mustangii@List-Server.net]On Behalf Of COBRAII976@aol.com > Sent: Saturday, November 27, 1999 1:28 PM > To: mustangii@list-server.net > Subject: Re: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams > > > Dave, I take it your running the double roller and want to use > the mechinical > fuel pump take a look at Tim's engine pics the double roller is > attached to a > lunati "284" cam the fuel pump is a napa item the cam eccentrick > is the One > piece circa late 60's and has a locating tab on it, your going to > find that > two piece has the same deal a locating pin. I'll dig one of each > up and get > you some pics to check it out. > Dave > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 10:22:13 -0600 From: Mark Cook Subject: Re: 1987 TURBO T-BIRD REAREND kmwatts wrote: > Would anyone happen to know if this rearend > would fit into my Mustang II? If it's just a > matter of moving the mounting pads that's no > problem...sure would be nice for three reasons > ...one it's free, two disc brakes and three > it's 5 bolt axles...T.I.A. Yours is 5 bolt axle?? Are you sure that you have T-Bird axle?? Sounds more like a Mark VII rearend (unless some one did some changing???). The 8.8 rears are so-so rears for couple of reason. (1) The axle tubes are pressed fit, not welded like the 8" or 9" Fords. (2) After a lot of hard use, the caps that hold the spool into the housing tend to become oblong and therefore let the spool walk inside the housing. (3) The 7.5 and 8.8 are "C clip" axles. Like the GM's, it is easy to break off the end of the axle. I agree with Dave, you want disc, get a Versailles rear. If you want 5 lug 8" or 9" drum get a Granada or 67-70 Mustang rear, you want 4 lug 8" drum get a Mustang II rear. Even though that one is free, there are a lot of 8" and 9" rears that are direct bolt ins. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:43:33 -0500 From: Matthew Olson Subject: Speed Parts to Swap? I have a 1976 Mustang II Ghia with a 302 V8 I purchased recently. I am on a pretty tight budget and want to return the car to stock. The person I bought it from installed an Edelbrock Performer 289 intake (non EGR), a Carter AFB 625 cfm carb (a Ford-specific part), full-length headers, an Edelbrock chrome air cleaner, chrome Summit Racing valve covers, etc. He of course discarded all of the stock pieces. I was wondering if anyone has a stock intake, carb, exhaust manifolds, valve covers, air cleaner, etc. they have taken off of a car and would sell or perhaps consider trading for the after market parts I have? Contact me and we'll see if we can make a deal. By the way, I am looking for all of the stock smog parts too, believe it or not! Thanks! - -- Matt Olson 1976 Mustang II Ghia 302 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 11:46:57 EST From: COBRAII976@aol.com Subject: Re: Speed Parts to Swap? Matt I think I can hook you up with everything you need and do it for very little money. Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 99 12:46:09 -0500 From: "Timothy Grahl" Subject: Re: cobra II hood The mailing list has a file size limit. The picture mentioned below can be found at http://www.mustangii.net/images/temp/mustang2.jpg Tim From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: cobra II hood To: mustangii@list-server.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0-846930886-943896054=:29438" --0-846930886-943896054=:29438 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline right outside circleville.I will send a pic of this car with this e-mail.I am asking $1500 obo it has under 64,000 orig miles but I need a truck for work as I said in the first e-mail so it must go. --- "Mark." wrote: > > > merlin wizard wrote: > > > ... .I live in ohio,if anyone wants ... > > Where in Ohio? > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in > one place. > Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:52:56 EST From: COBRAII976@aol.com Subject: Re: cobra II hood hey is that the Ghia from Excite classifieds that sold a few months ago for 400 bucks?? Dave ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:37:33 EST From: REBELMUST@aol.com Subject: Re: Speed Parts to Swap? i have all the stock parts you need will be intrested in a trade what is the cond and age of the parts you have ,give me a detailed list of what you need and what the trade terms are,thanks steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:16:06 -0600 (CST) From: "Eric N. Wilkinson" Subject: "Tag" numbers II Fans, On my 351W there is a tag attached to the distributor that I am wondering about, can anyone tell me what these numbers mean?: 98 D7 AE 12127 KA 7A 13 This is how they appear on the metal tag. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 13:47:36 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: cobra II hood yep!!!!! sure is, the guy couldn't get it running and it had sit for three years in a garage.He owned it since he was 16 and actually teared up when the tow truck pulled away.I love the car but need the money. mike 77ghia 302/C-4 - --- COBRAII976@aol.com wrote: > hey is that the Ghia from Excite classifieds that > sold a few months ago for > 400 bucks?? > Dave > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:50:47 -0500 From: Matthew Olson Subject: Re: Speed Parts to Swap? Matthew Olson wrote: > > I have a 1976 Mustang II Ghia with a 302 V8 I purchased recently. I am > on a pretty tight budget and want to return the car to stock. The > person I bought it from installed an Edelbrock Performer 289 intake (non > EGR), a Carter AFB 625 cfm carb (a Ford-specific part), full-length > headers, an Edelbrock chrome air cleaner, chrome Summit Racing valve > covers, etc. He of course discarded all of the stock pieces. I was > wondering if anyone has a stock intake, carb, exhaust manifolds, valve > covers, air cleaner, etc. they have taken off of a car and would sell or > perhaps consider trading for the after market parts I have? Contact me > and we'll see if we can make a deal. By the way, I am looking for all > of the stock smog parts too, believe it or not! Thanks! > > -- > Matt Olson > 1976 Mustang II Ghia 302 Wow I got a lot of very positive and helpful response. It looks like I can work out a deal for the engine parts I need with one of the guys who already responded. On the other hand, I am missing parts galore and if you have parts available just e-mail me with your e-mail address and I will contact you as things are needed. My car was gutted so as to be raced and I have no interior (as in NO interior, period; it is ALL gone, even the dash) and there are lots of other things, like hubcaps and mirrors and grill and ductwork for the air conditioning and, well, you get the picture. I don't have a lot of money but I do have some other parts I could swap or I could even do an oil painting of your car in exchange for parts. If you want to see an example of my painting abilities let me know. I am very pleased with how eager people have been to help out. Too bad the "first generation" community isn't so willing to support a car that is a Mustang too. Thanks again! - -- Matt Olson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 16:56:12 EST From: COBRAII976@aol.com Subject: Re: cobra II hood You bastard you beat me to it by a few hours damn Ohioians. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 17:19:55 -0500 From: "Mark." Subject: Re: Speed Parts to Swap? Matthew Olson wrote: > I don't have a lot of money but I do have some other > parts I could swap or I could even do an oil painting of your car in > exchange for parts. An oil painting? How big? Life-size on the back of my garage? ;) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:15:50 EST From: ChlLock@aol.com Subject: Re: "Tag" numbers In a message dated 11/29/1999 4:18:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, enwilkin@mail.pittstate.edu writes: << On my 351W there is a tag attached to the distributor that I am wondering about, can anyone tell me what these numbers mean?: 98 D7 AE 12127 KA 7A 13 >> It was origionally installed in a 1977 full size Ford, An intermediate (Torino or LTD II) or a Thunderbird. 7A 13 means it (distributor) was assembled the 13 of Jan 1977. S7MS ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:37:11 EST From: ZSTLKR@aol.com Subject: Re: Speed Parts to Swap? i have the stock manifolds and factorydual exhaust make an offer chuck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 15:39:07 -0800 (PST) From: merlin wizard Subject: Re: cobra II hood .......lol.........sorry about that. not.........I could have sold it a couple times on the way home and many people about broke there neck to get a good look at it.it is a real nice car and I had alot of plans for it but am need of a new work truck.so I must part with it.unless I find a truck before I sell it.there are a couple people interested in it(and when I put it on the list here is the first time it was advertised!word gets around) and want to come look at it,so selling it should be easy.if you are interested just let me know. Mike 77 Ghia 302/C-4 - --- COBRAII976@aol.com wrote: > You bastard you beat me to it by a few hours damn > Ohioians. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 18:46:38 EST From: ZSTLKR@aol.com Subject: Re: Speed Parts to Swap? i have some interior parts in black if intrested call me at 815-969-8203 chuck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 22:55:03 -0800 From: "Darryl Lang" Subject: RE: mechanical fuel pump & aftermarket cams I finally tore down my Mach 1's old motor last night. It has an aftermarket cam, double roller timing chain, and 2-piece fuel pump eccentric. The pin in the cam is too short to reach the eccentric, but the eccentric does have a tab that's bent down to go in the pin hole. The 2-piece eccentric is definately what you need. I took some pictures, but they didn't come out good enough to see the tab...my camera batteries are almost dead so I'm not going back out to take anymore pics...you'll just have to believe me. Darryl - -----Original Message----- You mean that the cam eccentric has a tab that fits into the sprocket, rather than the pin from the camshaft sticking trough the sprocket into the eccentric? Thanks Dave Fisher Titus Medical Center > -----Original Message----- > The two-piece IS the answer. It locates with a bent tab that fits > over the > drive pin. Should be easy to get at salvage, etc. > > ------------------------------ End of mustangii-digest V1 #44 ******************************